Tuesday, July 25, 2006


Just a brief request for all those who think that Bill Clinton was (and will eternally be) the savior of the Democratic Party, and by extension, of the American Left: read this AP piece on Slick Willie's defense of Joe Lieberman. The very same Lieberman who's been skewered mercilessly lately (including by me).

I've known for nearly 15 years that Bill Clinton, like his wife, looks out for one constituent: himself. And while I despise the right-wingers who bash him, I also grew very tired of the supposed leftists who defended his every move rightward.

What's the excuse gonna be this time?


Update, 8:34 AM, Wednesday: I just posted the picture I tried to upload four times yesteday. Those of you who have Blogger will understand. I suspect the rest of you will too. Anyway, that's the pic I wanted.


Blogger Mr Furious said...

At least Clinton (both he and Hillary) is on the record that he will support the winner of the primary. If that's Lamont, Joe is shit out of luck.

Would I prefer Clinton stay out of this primary fight? Sure. But I cannot get all worked up over his support of Lieberman at this stage, however. He was also the only guy at the event with the balls to say "Iraq" and he pointed out that he disagrees with Lieberman on that issue.

11:03 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Then why would he support Lieberman? A man never really known for undying loyalty claims he's duty-bound by their 30 year friendship? In that event, why didn't he campaign for Lieberman (and Gore) in '00?

I don't trust him at all here. Why?

1. He's never been trustworthy.
2. His wife, who is very much in the mix in all Dem politics for the next two years has never been trustworthy.
3. Lieberman isn't trustworthy.

If "we" want to see things start changing over the next year or two, this is a move in the *wrong* direction.

11:07 AM  
Blogger Otto Man said...

I'm with you, Mike. The Clintons always look out for their own political future, and nothing else. If Clinton had been a true party leader, he would've used his presidency to build up a farm team at the state level, much as Reagan's people did during the '80s. Instead, his triangularization approach undercut tons of lower-level Dems just to keep his own numbers high. When he left office, it was clear that he'd created a vacuum.

This latest move is more of the same, simply an effort to stop the insurgency against complacent, pro-war, northeastern Democrats, for fear that it'll spread to New York soon and hurt Hillary.

11:23 AM  
Blogger Mr Furious said...

I'm not disagreeing wioth either of you, nor am I making excuses for Clinton.

Otto's right, they are digging a trench at the Westchester county line.

Though apprently Clinton did volunteer for Lieberman in his first race way back when.

Alright, I guess in a way I AM making excuses for Clinton. But I'm not really gonna begrudge him for this. Get back to me if Clinton fails to endorse Lamont if (when) he wins the primary.

12:11 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Let me preemptively say I'm not looking to start anything here. I'm argumentative by nature, but I'm not trying to instigate a big throwdown.

That said, this is exactly what I find so fascinating, and it's the reason behind the post on which we're commenting: the almost religious inability for many Democrats (and/or Liberals) to criticize Bill Clinton.

I hate to say it, but it's analogous to many GOPers inability to say anything negative about their boy Bush, who's destroying not only their country, but their political party as well.

12:15 PM  
Blogger DED said...

For the record, Gore & Lieberman were trying to distance themselves from Bill in 2000 due to a perception that his campaigning for them would be a liability. Why? Because of the whole Lewinsky affair.

Lieberman was added to the ticket to appease socially conservative voters. Joe was highly critical, and outspoken, of Bill getting blowjobs in the Oval Office from someone other than Hilary. Of course, I think that everyone who complained was just jealous that Clinton was getting blowjobs and they weren't.

And for the record, I've never voted for Clinton or Lieberman.

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

"Joe was highly critical, and outspoken, of Bill getting blowjobs in the Oval Office from someone other than Hilary."

So . . . he IS on record as supporting Oval Office blow jobs, so long as Hillary's giving them. Ok, we're getting somewhere here towards figuring out this whole unholy alliance.

And yes, you're all permitted to projectile vomit onto your monitors if someone suggests Hillary giving head to Lieberman.

12:29 PM  
Blogger Mr Furious said...

Don't confuse my giving Clinton a pass on this with me refusing to criticize him. I have plenty of problems with both Clintons. Now and in the 90s.

DOMA, Rwanda, welfare reform, and yes, I have a problem with an asshole who can't keep it in his pants and engages with interns thirty years younger than him while he's the fucking President.

Joe Lieberman is free to feel the same way. But he should have shut the fuck up at the time he made his famous rebuke.

Frankly, after that and the way Joe ran away from Clinton in 2000, Clinton should have hung up the phone on him.

1:16 PM  
Blogger Mr Furious said...

After listening to an interview with the DLC's Al From this morning, perhaps Clinton's worst accomplishment was his his success empowering the DLC.

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah Clinton, the most fiscally responsible president of the twentieth century. Bill that is, I miss that rascal. I fondly remember him and Yeltsin yucking it up like a couple of drunken hillbillies on national tv. Hillary on the other hand, I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.

Stolen joke time:

God was fed up. In a crash of thunder he/she yanked up to Heaven three influential humans: Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin and Bill Gates.

"The human race is a complete disappointment," God boomed. "You each have one week to prepare your followers for the end of the world." With another crash of thunder they found themselves back on Earth.

Clinton immediately called his cabinet. "I have good news and bad news," he announced grimly. "The good news is that there is a god. The bad news is, God's really mad and plans to end the world in a week."

Yeltsin in Russia announced to Parliament: "Comrades, I have bad news and worse news. The bad news is that we were wrong; there is a god after all. The worse news is God's mad and is going to end the world in a week."

Meanwhile, Bill Gates called a meeting of his top engineers. "I have good news and better news. The good news is that God considers me one of the three most influential men on Earth," he beamed. "The better news is we don't have to fix Windows 95."


9:52 PM  
Blogger Mr Furious said...


You want to read some Bill Clinton bashing? Check out this thread over at Steve Gilliard's.


11:31 PM  
Blogger Paradise said...

Neither of the Clintons are trustworthy.

This I'll give Bill... he left the country with a balanced budget, the first in 35 years.

However, he offset that by ratifying NAFTA, which has done untold damage.

Hillary is a closet Republican who only weakly and unwillingly supports reproductive choice, and is distinctly no friend of the working classes. I sincerely hope the Dummycrats don't intend to run this harpy in 2008, for if they do, we will get another Repugnant.

10:49 PM  

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