Monday, April 02, 2007

P.O.W.s IN THE NEVER-ENDING WAR

According to A.P., The Supreme Court declined to hear the Appeal of Guantanamo detainees who were denied federal court review by the D.C. Circuit.

As usual, I'm not gonna wade into the legal details here, as there are lawyers & scholars far better able to do so than I am. But I'll ask a simple question, only partly rhetorical: Is the Adminstration planning to detain these poor guys forever?

And if so, why not stick 'em in a rocket and send em into space? Or bury them alive in a cave? Or set them adrift in a boat? What's the difference at this point?

And it's being done in our name.

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Blogger DED said...

And if so, why not stick 'em in a rocket and send em into space? Or bury them alive in a cave? Or set them adrift in a boat? What's the difference at this point?

Hope for freedom. In each of these scenarios, there's some measure of hope for the detainees, even if it's infinitesimal.

They're either accused criminals or POWs and should be treated accordingly. And since we have the "We're at war" message beaten into our heads every day, I'd think the latter should be applied.

1:22 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

Thanks for rolling with my sardonic comments.

But the whole thing makes me so angry, I honestly find it difficult to speak intelligently, or with any control. I'm still having a hard time believing this shit is going on?

And at our naval base in CUBA, of all places!

1:34 PM  
Blogger Smitty said...

My fear is that a President McCain will keep them there, seeing as how he nows sees he light (read: drinks the Kool Aid) about what we're doing there.

A thought: it was Gonzales, I believe, who gave the "o.k." to kep people there (backed by the courts). If Gonzo goes away, do you think a solid challenge to his notion will hold up and overturn this awful decision?

2:03 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

I don't think so. I really don't.

As far as my knowledge of Constitutional Law goes (1st year law school student), there's nothing legally incorrect about these detentions. Non-citizens are NOT guaranteed due process under the Constitution.

I think they deserve it, obviously, but it's not un-Constitutional to insist otherwise.

2:08 PM  
Blogger Mort said...

We're next. Of course they'll never take me alive, but you guys are screwed. ;-)

4:59 PM  
Anonymous waitingforthealiens said...

It is part and parcel of the administration’s decision to treat 9/11 as something other than a criminal act. Having pondered it for 5 ½ years the only reason I can see for calling it a war was to increase the powers of the president (the office and this particular president) relative to the legislature and the courts. I assume Cheney was the lead architect of this plan, but there are probably ideologues outside the public eye that contributed. Unfortunately political (or should I say civil?) discourse in this country is so impoverished that it has been rendered a non-issue with a majority of the public; probably a majority of the voting public.

If I have been paying sufficient attention, U.S. citizenship is not a shield against being designated an enemy combatant. As far as I know, I could be detained on my way home today by agents of the U.S. government, held indefinitely in secret without charge. My family and friends would not know to whom they could serve a writ of habeas corpus.

These guys, with assistance from a few numb-nuts on the high court (Scalia, Aledo, Thomas and Roberts) have proven to me that they are completely comfortable wiping their asses with the Constitution. That is scary enough given the best of intentions, but given the most corrupt and incompetent administration in my lifetime, it is chilling.

10:26 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

WFTA -

Typically strong comments. Good to have you back. Where've you been?

the only reason I can see for calling it a war was to increase the powers of the president (the office and this particular president) relative to the legislature and the courts.

I agree. Much of the Administration's M.O. has seemed to lead to this point, whether for cynical maneuverings, or merely naked power grans for the simple sake of doing so.

U.S. citizenship is not a shield against being designated an enemy combatant.

Based on that "Military Commissions Act" or whatever it was called, this is a correct reading. I have to believe some court, somewhere, will overrule that particular monstrosity.

That is scary enough given the best of intentions, but given the most corrupt and incompetent administration in my lifetime, it is chilling.

Yup.

10:31 AM  
Anonymous waitingforthealiens said...

I was in Riyadh for about a week. Bought a nice rug and the chicken schwarma at Mamma Noura was outstanding. Since then nothing intelligent to say. I have lavished a little wit on the cave-dwellers-to-be over at peak oil central.

Of interest to no one other than me, I identified three warblers that were new to me: northern parula, yellow throated, and hooded.

12:16 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

That's right. You were heading off to Dubai, or Bahrain, or somewhere a while back. This all part of the same trip?

You saw these warblers in S.A., or back home in Texas?

2:16 PM  
Anonymous waitingforthealiens said...

The warblers are in Texas. Other than pigeons, only saw three birds in KSA: house sparrow of course plus a large swallow or swift and a fabulous little flycatcher, neither of which I've be able to google. Maybe they were wintering from Europe and I've been googling Arab peninsula.

4:01 PM  
Blogger Mort said...

More secret prisons.

Paul Gimigliano, a CIA spokesman, declined to discuss details of any such interviews. He said, however: “To fight terror, CIA acts boldly and lawfully, alone and with partners, just as the American people expect us to.”

11:13 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

As I've said a million times, nothing surprises me anymore.

7:14 AM  
Blogger DWPittelli said...

Oh come on.

Do you really see President Hillary Clinton releasing them?

It's not like they're New-York-voting Puerto Rican terrorists or anything.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

Frankly, I don't know. I hope I never see a President Hillary. But . . .

a. Hillary's not the Prez; Bush is. And he and his gang are detaining people eternally.

b. If the next Prez -- GOP or Dem -- continues the policy, I'll be furious about it, and I'll complain.

This isn't about politics, this is about human rights. We're Americans; we shouldn't be doing this shit.

7:13 AM  

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