Wednesday, September 06, 2006

I AM THE TORTURER, AND I TORTURE BEST

Wow. I knew this year's run-up to Election Day would see more cynicism than Machiavelli could've dreamed up, and more dirty tricks than an unwashed magician, but this is beyond my scope of belief:
President Bush on Wednesday acknowledged for the first time that the CIA runs secret prisons overseas and said tough interrogation forced terrorist leaders to reveal plots to attack the United States and its allies.
Not only is the Administration not hiding this from the electorate, but it's bragging about it. Look what Bush said:

This program has been, and remains, one of the most vital tools in our war against the terrorists. Were it not for this program, our intelligence community believes that al-Qaida and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland.

In other words: Yes, we tortured. We violated the Geneva Convention, we violated human codes of conduct. We acted in a way that makes us the same as every other despicable regime. But if we hadn't, you'd have DIED!!!

Just to make sure, of course, that no one thinks the Administration is doing anything to cause Americans shame, Bush also explained that:

I cannot describe the specific methods used — I think you understand why. If I did, it would help the terrorists learn how to resist questioning and to keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country. But I can say the procedures were tough, and they were safe and lawful and necessary. I want to be absolutely clear with our people, and the world: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorized it, and I will not authorize it.

Except that he has. And he will. But otherwise, everything he said is true.

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Just note -- over the next two months -- the Administration's curious combination of Dishonesty & Vulgar Displays of Power. Simultaneous dissembling alongside demonstrations of unchallengeable control. "We can do whatever we want," the message usually goes. "But don't worry, we're not doing anything bad, and we won't. But remember, we could if we wanted to. And you'll be in great danger if we don't. But we won't, because we don't have to. But if we want to, we will . . ."

And on & on it goes. The Lies define reality in the way they see fit. The Demonstrations of Power remind everyone of the consequences of too much questioning.

Two months we won't soon forget. Even if many of our fellow citizens will.

15 Comments:

Anonymous nyhmr said...

Man's inhumanity to man.

This type of stuff makes people feel a false sense of security. They feel protected.

Torture works about as well as the death penalty. Can the interogators really believe the info that they are being given, because the person will tell them anything to stop the pain.

The people who are targeting America, Americans and American interests overseas are despicable human beings, but do we need to lower ourselves to their level?

This poses a philosophical dilemma, because to catch a scumbag you either need to deal with scumbags or be a scumbag. HUMINT cannot be gathered in these circles by saints.

Besides the people who would have the most effect in combating future attacks will be the geeky, scholarly types who can pore over bank account and financial infromation and catch the source of income that finances these organizations. The logisticss of terrorism are not cheap. Someone is providing money and that someone needs to be found.

Follow the flow of money and it would be very surprising to see where it starts.

12:39 AM  
Blogger Thrillhous said...

This sounds like a Rovian kind of thing. Instead of being ashamed of torturing, they're proud of it.

What a shock, W didn't say what attacks had been thwarted. Does he mean that guy who wanted to blowtorch the brooklynn bridge? Those guys in Miami who were going to use numchuk skills to take down the Sears tower?

7:14 AM  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

We did torture a retarded guy that was purported to be UBL's mastermind.

He revealed to us thousands of plots that surely would've destroyed all of America had we now gone around and spent hundreds of millions of dollars protecting every building we asked him about.

The carnage that would've been waged at petting zoos alone would've been staggering.

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

The logistics of terrorism are not cheap. Someone is providing money and that someone needs to be found.

Yeah, his name is Bin Laden, he lives in Pakistan, and according to our "ally," Mushafef, he can stay their so long as he lives apeaceful life.

No accident, methinks, that Bush talks to us about safety & security overseas on the same day we find out that overseas public enemy #1 -- untortured, most obviously -- ain't coming to Gitmo anytime soon.

W didn't say what attacks had been thwarted. Does he mean that guy who wanted to blowtorch the brooklynn bridge? Those guys in Miami who were going to use numchuk skills to take down the Sears tower?

Don't forget the magic water that was gonna flow uphill out of the Holland Tunnel to drown Manhattan.

We did torture a retarded guy that was purported to be UBL's mastermind.

He must have said -- under torture -- that Bush doesn't need to concern himself with Bin Laden. Good thing our President listens to the advice of retards under torture.

8:36 AM  
Blogger Alan P. said...

Did they really find molten steel in the basements of the twin towers and WTC-7?

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's that? The CIA leak scandal was exposed as a laughably manufactured dud? Fear not, Don Quixote, we will not quit.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Anon (aka, Dan) sed:

What's that? The CIA leak scandal was exposed as a laughably manufactured dud? Fear not, Don Quixote, we will not quit.

Danny boy, three suggestions:

1. Stay on topic. It'll help you keep your thoughts straight.

2. Stop posting as "Anonymous," and use "Dan" instead. I'm more than happy to debate with you. But I already told you, I don't like commenters who post as "Anomymous."

3. Who's tilting at windmills, big guy?

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Jorge said...

Hey Mike:

Came here to stand away a bit from the shitstorm at CFN. That place has such a tendency to go downhill so really fast, and then the whole interest in the site goes to shit.

Oh well!

I did make a comment over at CFN regarding the cavalier manner in which Bush threw his erstwhile New Europe allies to the dogs by revealing the secret 'black sites' so strenuously denied by Eastern European governments. I wonder what he was thinking when he did this, if anything at all.

At any rate, those governement officials in EU countries involved in the 'black sites' operations may well face criminal charges under the conventions ruling human rights' protection in the EU. It's going to be fun to see how the EU Commissioner for Human Rights deals with this situation and what the outcome might be.

Anyways, take care, good friend, and as somebody purportedly said once, praise the Lord and pass the ammo.

Cheers,

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Jorge-

I really have no knowledge of international law, so I don't know how that'll all play out.

But to hear that the Administration has yet again played the game of international diplomacy by thumbing its nose at diplomacy . . . well, can't say I'm surprised.

Some day we'll get some understanding of the method to their madness. But for now, I don't really get it.

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I did make a comment over at CFN regarding the cavalier manner in which Bush threw his erstwhile New Europe allies to the dogs by revealing the secret 'black sites' so strenuously denied by Eastern European governments. I wonder what he was thinking when he did this, if anything at all."

The sites were already exposed by the Leftwing media, idiot. Seriously, the doublethink here is astounding.

I thought the Bush administration was "unilteral." I wasn't aware we had allies according to the Left.

Since they are allies just maybe he consulted with them first.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Dan-

I've asked you nicely to post under your standard user name.

You choose not to.

I can't speak for Jorge or any other posters, but you won't be getting any more responses from me if you continue to post as "Anomymous."

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Jorge said...

Dear Anonymous:

There is a difference between exposing and admitting, idiot.

The left wing press could blather, rant and rave all they wanted, and those were only allegations, theories and innuendoes. Now a co-conspirator and accomplice during and after the fact comes along and admits to the commission of the offense. Maybe your little brain might see the difference between those two scenarios if you think real hard about it.

BTW, most European forces who accompanied the US into Iraq in 2003 came from Eastern Europe as part of the 'coalition of the willing'. The 'New Europe' was then celebrated as close allies and friends of the US, idiot.

Cheers,

ps Sorry for the language, Mike, but I don't appreciate being called names by some ignoramus that can't find his ass with a flashlight, a map and both hands

4:18 PM  
Anonymous brine deluxe said...

I already told you, I don't like commenters who post as "Anomymous."

You really are a first class twit aren't you? If you despise anonymous posting, why do you leave that option enabled? What a whiner.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Don't sweat it, Jorge.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

If you despise anonymous posting, why do you leave that option enabled?

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

4:23 PM  

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